I am requesting an exception to be able to execute my trades (buy/sell orders) from Portfolio123. It is NOT automated trading, I have to manually review ALL transactions and APPROVE them before sending to Interactive Broker.
This simplify my life a lot for things like Rebalancing, allocating mony to different strategies, etc. Saves me hours of work per week. Again Portfolio123 IS NOT EXECUTING AUTOMATED ORDER. I have to review / validate everything before sending to Portfolio123. This cannot be changed. I can also provide you with the contact for Portfolio123 for this. The MAIN reason I chose to trade with Interactive Brokers is because it is "integrated" with Portfolio123.
The exception that I require is the CIRO 3241. (ii) (a) that states
Order execution only account services
(1) A Dealer Member approved by the Corporation to provide order execution only account services
within either a separate legal entity or a separate business unit, must:
(i) implement the policies and procedures required by Corporation requirements, and
(ii) not allow its order execution only account service clients to:
(a) use their own automated order system, as defined in securities laws, to generate
orders to be sent to the Dealer Member or send orders to the Dealer Member on a
preâdetermined basis
Below is the answer I got back from IBRK Canada. Does P123 have move "lift" with IBRK, maybe P123 can obtain the exception for their canadian members?
IBCS 2025/03/13 14:49:22
Dear Mr. Raby,
Portfolio123 connects to Interactive Brokers via an API connection. While your orders may not be automated, the method through which the orders are being placed falls under the API/CTCI restriction. As such, any orders for Canadian products being placed through a third party application or program would not be allowed. If you would like to place orders on Canadian products, it would have to be through one of Interactive Brokers' products.
Probably easiest way is for Canada to become 51st state.
There are other brokers... and we want to expand broker connectivity.
What are the main reasons to choose IB? If it's their "automatic orders" or "algo orders", we could create our own simpler versions using. Something simple should go a long way.
For example using limit orders, breaking up orders into smaller ones, and adjusting the limit as time passes.
As a test I put in a buy VWAP order on the TSE.
My account held only USD, to execute the trade IB did a transparent conversion to CAD. The result was posted to the P123 account in USD!
My IB account is in USD and when rebalancing with limit orders for Canadian stocks, the order is sent with the USD price and show exactly the same in IB. It should show the price in CAD.
Example:
In IB, stock Can1 closed at 5 USD
When sending order, the limit order is at 5 in IB while the stock is trading in CAD, which is totally wrong. The limit should show something like 7.15 (5*1.43)
We have a solution that's been pending testing for a while. It's been pushed back by ongoing testing for a major upgrade to group sharing functionality which is coming to a close perhaps in a week or two.
Not sure what solution @aschiff is referring to. Can you explain how you rebalance?
The only place where I see the problem is when I initiate the order from the Research section of the site. Every other way seems ok. This is how I reproduced the problem
Rebalance a Live Strategy in Research
Click the legacy "Trade" button
Choose Limit, then Confirm
This then takes me to the legacy TRADE interface which does show the limit prices in USD. See screenshot.
@azouz110 Also, we do not have live Canadian prices at the moment. So you would still need to edit the limit price regardless. Or is having the previous day close in CAN good enough?
The problem is that now it used the previous day close but the price is sent in USD. In IB, it is not converted to CAD.
I have a book with a US and Canadian systems. The prices shown for Canadian is in USD. So if the rebalance send an order to IB to buy at 10 USD, it doesn't convert it to CAD and in IB i am getting a limit order of 10 CAD instead of ~7.2 CAD.
Hi Victor.
The "no trading permission" seems to indicate that you have not requested trading permissions for that exchange in your IB account. I dont know the exact steps, but log into Account Management in your IB account and look around and find the Trading Permissions section. Request permission to trade on the desired exchanges. You will also want to subscribe to the free price data feeds for all the exchanges you plan to trade and maybe a few paid data feeds.
I have selected every available exchange and I sometimes still get an error saying I dont have permission for some European tickers when I am trading directly in the IB Workstation. Eventually I'll have to call IB Support, but have not got around to it.
I have not bought any UI stocks and I have not noticed that purple flag. Was the exchange open when you initially sent those orders?
That was indeed the case. I changed the settings yesterday and today the transactions for Canadian stocks were very smooth.
I found out that for the LSE some company stocks are only tradable via âauctionâ at certain times. I think the stocks I selected were routed that way. I havenât traded on LSE before due to some of the stories I read (that werenât positive), I guess they are true.
Would be very much interested to know how others trade on LSE if they do. For me, it is always random whether a stock there will fill pretty quick, hardly, or not at all (even when placing an order slighly above the ask). For relatively liquid stocks that isâŚ
A large number of LSE stocks are auctioned between 2 and 4 times a day (Iâm not sure about the frequency). On IB I always got my fills at EOD, about 5 or 10 minutes after market close, but that may be just because I placed my orders about 2 hours before EOD. Now I only use not-held/desk orders for small LSE stocks (IB doesnât offer these kinds of orders, but Fidelity and StoneX do).
