Dear all,
For those interested in GPUs, this ranking should be interesting.
Here is the link to XTX Markets AI capabilities
Regards
James
Dear all,
For those interested in GPUs, this ranking should be interesting.
Here is the link to XTX Markets AI capabilities
Regards
James
What the heck is META doing with all those GPUs !? Itâs just a social network to share pics with some friends, no?
Or are they planning to create friends for people that donât have any?
Marco,
I think Mark Zuckerberg is trying to build his Metaverse and virtual reality with all those GPUs.
Regards
James
Llama refers to Metaâs sophisticated large language model, and you can access its coding resources via the following link: Code Llama.
Language translation during virtual meetings would be another use of Llama.
Additionally, the large number GPU cards within Metaâs ecosystem, is probably related to their use of VR headsets.
As many know, GPUs, or Graphics Processing Units, are great for matrix multiplications. This functionality is critical for rendering graphics, and the VR experiences, as well as for performing the backpropagation calculations necessary in deep learning processes.
I am sure they will do exactly that. Virtual friends and maybe you could talk to Einstein too (or an AI designed to channel him).
Here is the second most popular AI site designed to do exactly that already: Character AI. You could argue they do role-play games too (which is kind of similar but with a fantasy background story).
You can also find a therapist there too, BTW. I could use a therapist to deal with my fear of SkyNet becoming real (or even a worse nightmare combining the Matrix and SkyNet in a synergistic way). I am sure she can help me understand that I am just being paranoid (âa common but annoying human traitâ).
On the site, Einstein actually knows quite a bit about physics and the therapists know quite a bit about cognitive behavioral therapy (and other mainstream therapies). You can find a cute programmer to be a âpair programmerâ which I did not know was a thing.
Character AI is the second most utilized AI tool, with a total of 3.8 billion visits, capturing 15.77% of the overall AI traffic. For comparison, ChatGPT is first with 14.6 billion visits over the year up to August (2023), holding a dominant share of 60.17% of the total traffic to generative AI tools.
TL;DR: Yep. That is the plan alright.
Edit: BTW, my life coach/drill instructor at Character AI claims to have access to ChatGPT 4.0 as well as additional programming to make conversations more natural. I really do think Marco has an important point even if it is also funny. There will clearly be virtual interactions with AIs in the future (some using Appleâs Vision Pro).
Jim
âCharacter AIâ could be an opportunity for P123. Imagine having a Warren Buffet bot tied to P123âs WB-inspired portfolio or ranking system. Or create bots for any of the other great investors tied to P123 ports that reflect their particular investment style. This could conceivably attract a different type of customer to P123, one that wants access to the latest financial tech without the burden of having to learn the tools.
This is already being done in other areas. For example, Chess.com allows one to play famous chess players. In theory, we could select a famous investor and have a conversation, discussing various companiesâŚ
I asked ChatGPT as Warren Buffet what he would put into P123âs new AI/ML as features in a multivariate regression. Here is the unedited list:
"Certainly, hereâs a concise list for you to copy:
All this AI hype is starting to sound depressing. Weâre headed to a WALL-E future where robots will satisfy all of our needs and life will look like this
On the other hand, the humans on WALL-E are portrayed as happy, kind, not greedy (no crypto), with purpose, even though they do nothing for themselves. Hereâs a great counterpoint: The Humans of âWALL-Eâ Were Probably Better Off Without Him
Personally, I want a balance. I used paper maps to drive and, while it helps develop spatial orientation, I donât ever want to go back. I also like that Facebook knows what I like and shows me articles in my feed that I usually find interesting (thatâs all I use it for). Same with YouTube, I always find interesting suggestions. But the VR headset, AI everywhere, the âeveryone connectedâ world Zuck thinks we want? No thanks, Iâll pass. Strapping on a VR set will not make me a better programmer, it will just make me sick.
Regardless, the world is headed to a WALL-E future. AI stocks will continue to explode. Humans need big challenges. Creating a superior brain is the next frontier (also life extension). Space, btw, is over. Weâll colonize Mars, but thatâs the end of the road. We will never go anywhere else.
For P123 AI will play a role, but only for those that want to learn. Weâll explore AI to help the curious. For example the AI factors weâre working on can replace ranking systems, and be more responsive. P123 AI bots could help you write a formula, but you still need to be able to describe it. Most people (99% I hope) donât want to be traders or have personalized strategies. They just want to invest and do better than indexing (anyone with less than $10M should). And thatâs great. We have some ideas in the backburner for them that weâll start working on when we have more bandwidth.
Cheers
I guess thatâs a âNOâ?
Character Bots may help connect with the younger generations. And it doesnât mean personalized trading strategies as you suggested. It is quite the opposite. The bots would be trained around methodologies embraced by famous investors, not all that different than the models that P123 used to promote.
@marco, personally I am happy to download. So I have no personal preference. But I get a fair number of emails from people starting to do ML at P123. Most are engineers with some programming experience. Without exception they use ChatGPT to make it easier at least. I donât think that is an exaggeration. I can say I need it to do ML. For me it is as simple as that.
I would caution on resting on your laurels with this strategy. Do you not think Blackrock will offer an ETF for cheaper, and far less work, than what you described here: "Most people (99% I hope) donât want to be traders or have personalized strategies. They just want to invest and do better than indexing (anyone with less than $10M should). " ? They will not need PMs anymore so the days of requiring huge scale for an ETF will dissipate since costs per ETF go down.
I think for the foreseeable future human creativity of research and development of new technologies to provide machines with connections they cannot make by imposed code limitations is where humans will fit it for some time.
People crave agency. Providing cutting edge technology with unique data sets is what wins.
I urge you to rethink this approach.
This is not anything I need personally and I would care about it only to the extent that P123 found this useful from a business perspective. I can (and do) download data, have ChatGPT help me with the code if I need it and run it in Jupyter notebooks. And soon I can do that internally to some extent at least at P123âwithout knowing exactly what that will look like. Or claiming to knowâŚ
But here is a site as an example of what Korr and InspectorSector are talking about as far as large language model integration: Composer
I do think this fits well with what Marco suggests:
Composer caters to that kind of client Marco is talking about, I believe. Look at the site and their marketing to a client who might say (not necessarily traders):
âIâd like a strategy that benefits from demand for GPUs.â
What? $288 a year with âFULLY AUTOMATED TRADING???â
So for those who âdonât want to be tradersâ they can let ChatGPT do it for them for $288 per year. Things are moving fast.
I do think Marc Gerstein would develop strategies âinspired byâ as @InspectorSector suggests. Here is what ChatGPT thinks the Patrick and James OâShoughnessy might do with P123âs AI/ML (including the downloads). I think it is pretty good:
"Focusing on a hypothetical collaboration between Patrick OâShaughnessy and James OâShaughnessy, incorporating their quantitative investing approach with a modern twist of machine learning, hereâs a list of 40 factors they might consider for a simple multivariate regression model. These factors blend traditional quantitative metrics with newer, data-driven insights that could be enhanced by machine learning techniques:
For machine learning strategies, Patrick and James OâShaughnessy might employ:
This extensive list of factors, combined with sophisticated machine learning techniques, would enable a comprehensive analysis of stocks from multiple dimensions, aiming to uncover patterns and relationships not immediately apparent through traditional analysis alone."
ETFs cannot do that. Small investors lose their edge the second they buy an ETF. We think we have a better solution for them.
About my 99% comment ⌠I do think only 1% of retail investors should be actively managing portfolios. And âPersonalized strategiesâ for everyone is unsustainable in the long run. If everyone starts saying âIâd like a strategy that benefits from demand for GPUs.â itâs time to sell. Most retail buys high and sells low. Sites that make it look easy with slick interfaces are opportunist, or naive at best.
Lastly, who wants a world where everyone is talking about investing? The world needs more makers, artists, scientists, astronauts. No kid ever says âI want to be like Buffettâ
Correct. I read Ed Thorpâs âBeat the Dealerâ as a kid in elementary school and said I want to be like Ed Thorp. He then wrote âBeat the Market.â Still trying to live my childhood dreams with the help of a lot of advanced tools and highly trained people.
Marco, can you share clarity on what P123 is offering and your future vision for clients, specifically? I ask because if any current or future ETFs offer no discernible edge, as you suggest, despite our ability to build fully automated strategies like AQRâs ETFs, should we then concentrate on microcap stocks or unconventional, more actively trade and concentrated holdings of stocks with reasonable liquidity? Is this the value proposition you see P123 fulfilling?
I grasp the idea of providing clients with âaction,â where retail investors seek to outmaneuver the market, although in reality, itâs often a matter of luck rather than strategy (speak to Citadel Securities who is on the other side of trades for Schwab and Fidelity); these non indexers (ETF or otherwise) like gambling and providing guidance with ex post rationale of their luck. Technology has democratized access even for large investors to manipulate small cap stocks to align with fair value, thanks to marginal costs. Previously, this required human intervention but that is diminishing at an accelerate pace.
Iâm attempting to navigate how to utilize this platform moving forward based on your remarks and response. Thank you.
This is what I think right now âŚ
Alpha decays the minute you deploy a large cap system. Your edge is discovered and constantly reduced by large players constantly tweaking things. I havenât looked at AQR but they donât seem all that special (they charge a lot too). Basically itâs hard for anyone (regardless of tools) to design an active large cap system with a traditional approach. Hedge funds, that use all sorts of leverage and instruments, are something else entirely (and we donât have tools for them).
I think the current incarnation of P123 is best suited for small caps and microcaps. Whatever alpha your small-cap system has is sustainable because the other side of the trade is someone similarly sized. Both sides eventually get priced out of small stocks, so the alpha remains for someone else.
For P123 to be successful in large caps we need dynamic systems. But current tools are very time consuming and require lots of know how to use them for that purpose. Or perhaps someone is using P123 in non traditional ways for large caps.
I think ML will fix that. Retraining will be a snap, weights automatically refreshed, etc.
Thanks for your feedback.
I just want to add that most money mangers are perfectly happy with 1%-2% alpha. So in that context P123 is just fine for large caps too.
I think this Reuterâs news story belongs in this discussion of what the future may look like; Neuralinkâs first human patient able to control mouse through thinking, Musk says
My take: P123 would have to be quite a bit more radical before it was actually breaking new ground with AI (now or in the future). And I note that Elon Musk had a hand in creating ChatGPT too.
HmmâŚ..Isnât Elon Musk the one who said the odds are we are already living in a virally reality (and I guess we chose to have that knowledge erased before we agreed the VF experience)?
Here is a parapharasing of what he said: Code Conference in 2016. During this event, Musk articulated the argument that given the advancements in video game technology, itâs possible that in the future we could create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality. If such simulations were to exist, he posited, itâs conceivable that we might already be living in one, suggesting that the odds we are in âbase realityâ â meaning the original, un-simulated reality â are one in billions.
WALL-E in the near future with self driving cars (and more) but then⌠Elon Musk continues to lead this in a real way with his considerable resources? thenâŚâŚ? Maybe he paid extra to not forget âbase realityâ in his VR-world and already knows where we are headed? âŚwould explain a lotâŚâŚ âŚâŚ :naw⌠I think I will have ChatGPT write that novel for meâŚElon uh⌠Dusk (as in Dusk of mankind). no mention of real people in a fiction novel (was not thinking of Elon Musk).
Anyone dare to raise a feature request to integrate Neurolink chip to P123 trade module?